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Post  EPICxPENGUIN69 on June 29th 2011, 6:01 am

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/29/arts/video-games/what-supreme-court-ruling-on-video-games-means.html?_r=1&src=dayp

This is a great victory.

Literature once was hunted for being "offensive"

Paintings once were burned for being "pornographic"

Movies once were scorned for being "infectious towards youth"

video games are now art. It is beautiful. I have argued with many of my english and history professors with the valid art of "video games"
The fact they rule this way is gorgeous. I now have a way to shoot back beside "its not just a 'game'"

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Post  HurpDurpHurray on June 29th 2011, 8:30 am

Fuck! Now if I have kids, they'll be lecturing me about how video games are an art and so they should be able to play for longer. I didn't have that excuse!

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Post  EPICxPENGUIN69 on June 29th 2011, 11:18 am

HurpDurpHurray wrote:Fuck! Now if I have kids, they'll be lecturing me about how video games are an art and so they should be able to play for longer. I didn't have that excuse!

theres art that pertains to certain groups. theres paintings, movies, and books for kids as is the case with games.

this is the beginning of a new start in the video game industry. im glad they made this decision

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Post  BaltRavensFan20 on June 29th 2011, 5:18 pm

HurpDurpHurray wrote:Fuck! Now if I have kids, they'll be lecturing me about how video games are an art and so they should be able to play for longer. I didn't have that excuse!

You could just scare them and say that if they play them too long that their eyes will burn in their sockets from staring at the tv for too long.

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Post  CaptRCG2 on June 29th 2011, 6:04 pm

Now, for the rest of the story...

What the Supreme Court just did was open the door for the FEDERAL government to stick it's head into the business of video game (amongst other things). This is once again a case of state's rights being trampled by the feds. Now instead of your state and local representatives voting for or against laws such as this one in California for you and your state, you'll have representatives and senators of states you've never been to deciding what is best for us all.

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Post  EPICxPENGUIN69 on June 29th 2011, 9:46 pm

CaptRCG2 wrote:Now, for the rest of the story...

What the Supreme Court just did was open the door for the FEDERAL government to stick it's head into the business of video game (amongst other things). This is once again a case of state's rights being trampled by the feds. Now instead of your state and local representatives voting for or against laws such as this one in California for you and your state, you'll have representatives and senators of states you've never been to deciding what is best for us all.

all the states that would vote against it are redneck states

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Post  CaptRCG2 on June 29th 2011, 9:54 pm

EpicxPlatypus69 wrote:
CaptRCG2 wrote:Now, for the rest of the story...

What the Supreme Court just did was open the door for the FEDERAL government to stick it's head into the business of video game (amongst other things). This is once again a case of state's rights being trampled by the feds. Now instead of your state and local representatives voting for or against laws such as this one in California for you and your state, you'll have representatives and senators of states you've never been to deciding what is best for us all.

all the states that would vote against it are redneck states

The issue isn't about video games, it's about the SCOTUS having no legal jurisdiction to be taking this case in the first place. And this ruling opens the door for more federal intervention in state business. If the elected officials of California or any other state pass a law for the state of California, there do the feds get the power to bud in? The Constitution is there to place limits on the federal government. This is just another infringement on the rights of the state. As they take away the power of the state, the less voice you have in control of your own lives.

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Post  EPICxPENGUIN69 on June 29th 2011, 11:19 pm

CaptRCG2 wrote:
EpicxPlatypus69 wrote:
CaptRCG2 wrote:Now, for the rest of the story...

What the Supreme Court just did was open the door for the FEDERAL government to stick it's head into the business of video game (amongst other things). This is once again a case of state's rights being trampled by the feds. Now instead of your state and local representatives voting for or against laws such as this one in California for you and your state, you'll have representatives and senators of states you've never been to deciding what is best for us all.

all the states that would vote against it are redneck states

The issue isn't about video games, it's about the SCOTUS having no legal jurisdiction to be taking this case in the first place. And this ruling opens the door for more federal intervention in state business. If the elected officials of California or any other state pass a law for the state of California, there do the feds get the power to bud in? The Constitution is there to place limits on the federal government. This is just another infringement on the rights of the state. As they take away the power of the state, the less voice you have in control of your own lives.

didnt we already have a war over state rights?

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Post  MaddMatter on June 30th 2011, 12:00 am



Skip to 1:35 and go to about 2:10.

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Post  tubbs51 on June 30th 2011, 12:37 am

The Feds dont have the Cajones to attempt to pass legislation against video games.

Anonymous has already hacked the FBI, CIA, and ATF websites and databases...

Imagine if the Feds attempt to pass legislation... a massive asteroid sized shit ball would hit the fan...

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Post  EPICxPENGUIN69 on June 30th 2011, 1:36 am

tubbs51 wrote:The Feds dont have the Cajones to attempt to pass legislation against video games.

Anonymous has already hacked the FBI, CIA, and ATF websites and databases...

Imagine if the Feds attempt to pass legislation... a massive asteroid sized shit ball would hit the fan...

indeed

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Post  CaptRCG2 on June 30th 2011, 8:44 am

EpicxPlatypus69 wrote:
CaptRCG2 wrote:
EpicxPlatypus69 wrote:
CaptRCG2 wrote:Now, for the rest of the story...

What the Supreme Court just did was open the door for the FEDERAL government to stick it's head into the business of video game (amongst other things). This is once again a case of state's rights being trampled by the feds. Now instead of your state and local representatives voting for or against laws such as this one in California for you and your state, you'll have representatives and senators of states you've never been to deciding what is best for us all.

all the states that would vote against it are redneck states

The issue isn't about video games, it's about the SCOTUS having no legal jurisdiction to be taking this case in the first place. And this ruling opens the door for more federal intervention in state business. If the elected officials of California or any other state pass a law for the state of California, there do the feds get the power to bud in? The Constitution is there to place limits on the federal government. This is just another infringement on the rights of the state. As they take away the power of the state, the less voice you have in control of your own lives.

didnt we already have a war over state rights?

Yes, we call it the War of Northern Aggression. In it, the Constitution lost and we've been under the tyrannical rule of the federal government ever since.

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Post  EPICxPENGUIN69 on June 30th 2011, 1:13 pm

CaptRCG2 wrote:
EpicxPlatypus69 wrote:
CaptRCG2 wrote:
EpicxPlatypus69 wrote:
CaptRCG2 wrote:Now, for the rest of the story...

What the Supreme Court just did was open the door for the FEDERAL government to stick it's head into the business of video game (amongst other things). This is once again a case of state's rights being trampled by the feds. Now instead of your state and local representatives voting for or against laws such as this one in California for you and your state, you'll have representatives and senators of states you've never been to deciding what is best for us all.

all the states that would vote against it are redneck states

The issue isn't about video games, it's about the SCOTUS having no legal jurisdiction to be taking this case in the first place. And this ruling opens the door for more federal intervention in state business. If the elected officials of California or any other state pass a law for the state of California, there do the feds get the power to bud in? The Constitution is there to place limits on the federal government. This is just another infringement on the rights of the state. As they take away the power of the state, the less voice you have in control of your own lives.

didnt we already have a war over state rights?

Yes, we call it the War of Northern Aggression. In it, the Constitution lost and we've been under the tyrannical rule of the federal government ever since.

tyrannical? no, is it bad? yea, but its better than having each state have different rules. we are one country that each state should abide by the bill of rights, amendments, and constitution. The feds are trying to keep the balance to try and make sure they keep an even keel of things.

the confederacy showed us what a nation would be without a good federal government, it would be shit. no taxes, no ability to draft men (I.C.E), and no ability to control chaos. Chaos or slight frustration? pick one because communism isnt an option anymore, not after the 50s

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Post  Soarindude02 on June 30th 2011, 2:12 pm

EpicxPlatypus69 wrote:
CaptRCG2 wrote:
EpicxPlatypus69 wrote:
CaptRCG2 wrote:
EpicxPlatypus69 wrote:
CaptRCG2 wrote:Now, for the rest of the story...

What the Supreme Court just did was open the door for the FEDERAL government to stick it's head into the business of video game (amongst other things). This is once again a case of state's rights being trampled by the feds. Now instead of your state and local representatives voting for or against laws such as this one in California for you and your state, you'll have representatives and senators of states you've never been to deciding what is best for us all.

all the states that would vote against it are redneck states

The issue isn't about video games, it's about the SCOTUS having no legal jurisdiction to be taking this case in the first place. And this ruling opens the door for more federal intervention in state business. If the elected officials of California or any other state pass a law for the state of California, there do the feds get the power to bud in? The Constitution is there to place limits on the federal government. This is just another infringement on the rights of the state. As they take away the power of the state, the less voice you have in control of your own lives.

didnt we already have a war over state rights?

Yes, we call it the War of Northern Aggression. In it, the Constitution lost and we've been under the tyrannical rule of the federal government ever since.

tyrannical? no, is it bad? yea, but its better than having each state have different rules. we are one country that each state should abide by the bill of rights, amendments, and constitution. The feds are trying to keep the balance to try and make sure they keep an even keel of things.

the confederacy showed us what a nation would be without a good federal government, it would be shit. no taxes, no ability to draft men (I.C.E), and no ability to control chaos. Chaos or slight frustration? pick one because communism isnt an option anymore, not after the 50s

It's been a while but I think when the "US" became a Country, we had The Articles of Confederation or something like that. But it was the law of the Land and it basically was the original Constitution almost. But this Constitution gave to much power to the States, and it caused a whole lot of problems.

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Post  EPICxPENGUIN69 on June 30th 2011, 2:32 pm

Soarindude02 wrote:
EpicxPlatypus69 wrote:
CaptRCG2 wrote:
EpicxPlatypus69 wrote:
CaptRCG2 wrote:
EpicxPlatypus69 wrote:
CaptRCG2 wrote:Now, for the rest of the story...

What the Supreme Court just did was open the door for the FEDERAL government to stick it's head into the business of video game (amongst other things). This is once again a case of state's rights being trampled by the feds. Now instead of your state and local representatives voting for or against laws such as this one in California for you and your state, you'll have representatives and senators of states you've never been to deciding what is best for us all.

all the states that would vote against it are redneck states

The issue isn't about video games, it's about the SCOTUS having no legal jurisdiction to be taking this case in the first place. And this ruling opens the door for more federal intervention in state business. If the elected officials of California or any other state pass a law for the state of California, there do the feds get the power to bud in? The Constitution is there to place limits on the federal government. This is just another infringement on the rights of the state. As they take away the power of the state, the less voice you have in control of your own lives.

didnt we already have a war over state rights?

Yes, we call it the War of Northern Aggression. In it, the Constitution lost and we've been under the tyrannical rule of the federal government ever since.

tyrannical? no, is it bad? yea, but its better than having each state have different rules. we are one country that each state should abide by the bill of rights, amendments, and constitution. The feds are trying to keep the balance to try and make sure they keep an even keel of things.

the confederacy showed us what a nation would be without a good federal government, it would be shit. no taxes, no ability to draft men (I.C.E), and no ability to control chaos. Chaos or slight frustration? pick one because communism isnt an option anymore, not after the 50s

It's been a while but I think when the "US" became a Country, we had The Articles of Confederation or something like that. But it was the law of the Land and it basically was the original Constitution almost. But this Constitution gave to much power to the States, and it caused a whole lot of problems.

bingo. the way the land was before the civil war was almost like separate countries.

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Post  CaptRCG2 on June 30th 2011, 4:49 pm

It's the states that formed the country. It wasn't the country that formed the states. The Constitution isn't a set of rules for the states to live by. The Constitution sets the limitations of the federal government. Each state IS supposed to be it's own sovereign land. You need to go back and read up about republicanism (the philosphy not the Republican party). It was actually the state of Virginia that put on paper the 1st constitution to govern itself.

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Post  EPICxPENGUIN69 on June 30th 2011, 5:23 pm

CaptRCG2 wrote:It's the states that formed the country. It wasn't the country that formed the states. The Constitution isn't a set of rules for the states to live by. The Constitution sets the limitations of the federal government. Each state IS supposed to be it's own sovereign land. You need to go back and read up about republicanism (the philosphy not the Republican party). It was actually the state of Virginia that put on paper the 1st constitution to govern itself.

it was back in the day when the speed of info traveled slowly. it was set up where the constitution would be the basic law that everybody used, same with the bill of rights. because of the telegraph, phones, internet. it makes it easier to govern.

Not saying states shouldnt have rights and ability to do their own thing, but on certain issues, the federal government needs to step in. when individual rights are infringed upon, such as 1st amendment rights, states rights take a back seat. the federal government will not step into this case because it says video games are art, thus making it an expression, protected by the 1st amendment.

If the states want to have gun laws which control who can or cannot get weapons, fine, not saying people cant get guns. just an example. you can control or regulate or deregulate stuff on a state level so long as it does not infringe on individuals rights or the federal laws. (the federal law stuff is complicated I.E. weed in cali)

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Post  CaptRCG2 on June 30th 2011, 6:22 pm

EpicxPlatypus69 wrote:
CaptRCG2 wrote:It's the states that formed the country. It wasn't the country that formed the states. The Constitution isn't a set of rules for the states to live by. The Constitution sets the limitations of the federal government. Each state IS supposed to be it's own sovereign land. You need to go back and read up about republicanism (the philosphy not the Republican party). It was actually the state of Virginia that put on paper the 1st constitution to govern itself.

it was back in the day when the speed of info traveled slowly. it was set up where the constitution would be the basic law that everybody used, same with the bill of rights. because of the telegraph, phones, internet. it makes it easier to govern.

Not saying states shouldnt have rights and ability to do their own thing, but on certain issues, the federal government needs to step in. when individual rights are infringed upon, such as 1st amendment rights, states rights take a back seat. the federal government will not step into this case because it says video games are art, thus making it an expression, protected by the 1st amendment.

If the states want to have gun laws which control who can or cannot get weapons, fine, not saying people cant get guns. just an example. you can control or regulate or deregulate stuff on a state level so long as it does not infringe on individuals rights or the federal laws. (the federal law stuff is complicated I.E. weed in cali)

The Constitution and the arguments for it are timeless. I strongly suggest you read the Federalist Papers. Reading the original papers can be quite a task as the reading isn't easy. There is a new book out that has put the Federalist Papers into a "more modern friendly" language called "The Original Argument:The Federalists' Case for the Constitution, Adapted for the 21st Century". I just got it at Sam's Club for only $9.00. I'll be reading while on vacation this week.

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Post  KWicK78 on June 30th 2011, 6:25 pm

EpicxPlatypus69 wrote:
CaptRCG2 wrote:It's the states that formed the country. It wasn't the country that formed the states. The Constitution isn't a set of rules for the states to live by. The Constitution sets the limitations of the federal government. Each state IS supposed to be it's own sovereign land. You need to go back and read up about republicanism (the philosphy not the Republican party). It was actually the state of Virginia that put on paper the 1st constitution to govern itself.

it was back in the day when the speed of info traveled slowly. it was set up where the constitution would be the basic law that everybody used, same with the bill of rights. because of the telegraph, phones, internet. it makes it easier to govern.

Not saying states shouldnt have rights and ability to do their own thing, but on certain issues, the federal government needs to step in. when individual rights are infringed upon, such as 1st amendment rights, states rights take a back seat. the federal government will not step into this case because it says video games are art, thus making it an expression, protected by the 1st amendment.

If the states want to have gun laws which control who can or cannot get weapons, fine, not saying people cant get guns. just an example. you can control or regulate or deregulate stuff on a state level so long as it does not infringe on individuals rights or the federal laws. (the federal law stuff is complicated I.E. weed in cali)

Protecting citizens from threats foreign and domestic. That's it.

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Post  Soarindude02 on June 30th 2011, 7:13 pm

I agree with Platypus on this topic more so then Capt, because the Articles of Confederation are a perfect example of why we should not give the States power. The USA is a country. Giving all 50 states to much independence, will cause havoc.

I hate to quote Wikipedia, but I think they hit both Capt and Epic's points.
"The United States Constitution allocates power between these two levels of government. By ratifying the Constitution, the people transferred certain limited sovereign powers to the federal government from their states. Under the Tenth Amendment, all powers not delegated to the U.S. government nor prohibited to the states are retained by the states or the people. Historically, the tasks of public safety (in the sense of controlling crime), public education, public health, transportation, and infrastructure have generally been considered primarily state responsibilities, although all of these now have significant federal funding and regulation as well"

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Post  tubbs51 on June 30th 2011, 7:58 pm

I agree with Epic on this one.

Considering if each state was sovereign they'd have the right to produce their own money. We've seen what happens with that. Shit went down hill...

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Post  CaptRCG2 on June 30th 2011, 8:32 pm

tubbs51 wrote:I agree with Epic on this one.

Considering if each state was sovereign they'd have the right to produce their own money. We've seen what happens with that. Shit went down hill...

Ahhh, yeah, the federal reserve has done a splendid job, right?

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Post  EPICxPENGUIN69 on June 30th 2011, 9:04 pm

CaptRCG2 wrote:
tubbs51 wrote:I agree with Epic on this one.

Considering if each state was sovereign they'd have the right to produce their own money. We've seen what happens with that. Shit went down hill...

Ahhh, yeah, the federal reserve has done a splendid job, right?

not saying states shouldnt have rights. each part of the US is almost like different countries. i think to keep thinks simple, the federal government sets out the guidelines for most things. the golden threads that make us all americans. the 14th amendment says states must abide by the bill of rights and stuff, doesnt say they cant tool with how they are handled as such (exception is the voting, thats the 13th)

as for the fed reserve. it isnt 100% their fault

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Post  CaptRCG2 on June 30th 2011, 9:07 pm

Soarindude02 wrote:I agree with Platypus on this topic more so then Capt, because the Articles of Confederation are a perfect example of why we should not give the States power. The USA is a country. Giving all 50 states to much independence, will cause havoc.

I hate to quote Wikipedia, but I think they hit both Capt and Epic's points.
"The United States Constitution allocates power between these two levels of government. By ratifying the Constitution, the people transferred certain limited sovereign powers to the federal government from their states. Under the Tenth Amendment, all powers not delegated to the U.S. government nor prohibited to the states are retained by the states or the people. Historically, the tasks of public safety (in the sense of controlling crime), public education, public health, transportation, and infrastructure have generally been considered primarily state responsibilities, although all of these now have significant federal funding and regulation as well"

The Constitution doesn't put the federal government into a position to give the states anything. It is the states that give power to the federal government. The idea that states having too much freedom tells you how bass ackwards we've strayed from the founding fathers.

The reason the Articles of Confederation were a failure had nothing to do with states being too powerful. It had to do with the inability and inefficiency of central government to do what Kwick78 said earlier, "protecting citizens from threats foreign and domestic". The suffering and death at Valley Forge and Morristown illustrated this. So, it was an inability to provide foods, clothing, equipment, and manpower at a time of war that showed the weakness of the Articles of Confederation. In the writing of the Articles of Confederation, the original draft was thought to have given too much power to the central government. They hacked away at this draft and proclaimed that the central government would have no powers unless expressly authorized by the states. Once again the idea that power comes from the people at the local and state level is illustrated.

The purpose of the Constitutional Convention of 1787 was to find a balance between the division of labor between state and federal governments. James Madison described their idea as follows:
"The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite... The powers reserved to the several States will extend to all the objects which in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives, liberties, and improvement, and prosperuty of the State."
It is very clear that the Constitution is designed to limit and define the powers of the federal government. It is easy to see how the federal government has completely and unconstitutionally overstepped it's authority in a vareity of ways.

The founders warned against many of the problems that we face today. They warned against a number of temptations which might lure subsequent generations to abandon freedoms and their rights by subjectiving themselves to a strong federal administration operating on the collectivist Left. Specifically they warned against a "welfare state" Social security, medicare/caid, unemployment, perscription drugs, anyone??? Cradle to grave care??? Thomas Jefferson wrote:
"If we can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people, under the pretense of taking care of them, they must become happy."

They warned against confiscatory taxation and deficit spending. Jefferson wrote:
"...we shall all consider ourselves unauthorized to saddle posterity with our debt, and morally bound to pay them ourselves; and consequently within what may be deemed the period of a generation, or life expectancy of the majority."
Sounds so much like what Obama is advocating, right?

They also warned against the ideas of socialism and communism. They said that the only way for the nation to prosper was to have equal protecton of "rights" and not allows the government to get involved in trying to provide equal distribution of "things". Samuel Adams said:
"The Utopian schemes of leveling[resdistribution of wealth] and community of goods [central ownership of the means of production and distribution], are as visionary and impractical as those which vest all prosperity in the Crown. These ideas are arbitrary, despotic, and in our government, unconstitutional."
This flies in the face of what Obama has been trying to do since he took office.

My point is simply that most of the problems facing us and our country today stem from a central government that has overstepped and continues to overstep it's constituional authority. THis is not just with Obama, one party, nor one branch of government. The problem of this insane powergrab is everywhere! The only solution is to dismantle the federal leviathon and get back to our founding principles and actual application of the Constitution.

The whole video game case is just another example of the federal government abusing power that it doesn't even have through the Constitution. And in the process, the SCOTUS has opened the door for the federal government to continue to grow it's power while taking it away from the people. And it is with the people that all governing power is suppose be.

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Post  EPICxPENGUIN69 on June 30th 2011, 9:19 pm

CaptRCG2 wrote:
Soarindude02 wrote:I agree with Platypus on this topic more so then Capt, because the Articles of Confederation are a perfect example of why we should not give the States power. The USA is a country. Giving all 50 states to much independence, will cause havoc.

I hate to quote Wikipedia, but I think they hit both Capt and Epic's points.
"The United States Constitution allocates power between these two levels of government. By ratifying the Constitution, the people transferred certain limited sovereign powers to the federal government from their states. Under the Tenth Amendment, all powers not delegated to the U.S. government nor prohibited to the states are retained by the states or the people. Historically, the tasks of public safety (in the sense of controlling crime), public education, public health, transportation, and infrastructure have generally been considered primarily state responsibilities, although all of these now have significant federal funding and regulation as well"

The Constitution doesn't put the federal government into a position to give the states anything. It is the states that give power to the federal government. The idea that states having too much freedom tells you how bass ackwards we've strayed from the founding fathers.

The reason the Articles of Confederation were a failure had nothing to do with states being too powerful. It had to do with the inability and inefficiency of central government to do what Kwick78 said earlier, "protecting citizens from threats foreign and domestic". The suffering and death at Valley Forge and Morristown illustrated this. So, it was an inability to provide foods, clothing, equipment, and manpower at a time of war that showed the weakness of the Articles of Confederation. In the writing of the Articles of Confederation, the original draft was thought to have given too much power to the central government. They hacked away at this draft and proclaimed that the central government would have no powers unless expressly authorized by the states. Once again the idea that power comes from the people at the local and state level is illustrated.

The purpose of the Constitutional Convention of 1787 was to find a balance between the division of labor between state and federal governments. James Madison described their idea as follows:
"The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite... The powers reserved to the several States will extend to all the objects which in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives, liberties, and improvement, and prosperuty of the State."
It is very clear that the Constitution is designed to limit and define the powers of the federal government. It is easy to see how the federal government has completely and unconstitutionally overstepped it's authority in a vareity of ways.

The founders warned against many of the problems that we face today. They warned against a number of temptations which might lure subsequent generations to abandon freedoms and their rights by subjectiving themselves to a strong federal administration operating on the collectivist Left. Specifically they warned against a "welfare state" Social security, medicare/caid, unemployment, perscription drugs, anyone??? Cradle to grave care??? Thomas Jefferson wrote:
"If we can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people, under the pretense of taking care of them, they must become happy."

They warned against confiscatory taxation and deficit spending. Jefferson wrote:
"...we shall all consider ourselves unauthorized to saddle posterity with our debt, and morally bound to pay them ourselves; and consequently within what may be deemed the period of a generation, or life expectancy of the majority."
Sounds so much like what Obama is advocating, right?

They also warned against the ideas of socialism and communism. They said that the only way for the nation to prosper was to have equal protecton of "rights" and not allows the government to get involved in trying to provide equal distribution of "things". Samuel Adams said:
"The Utopian schemes of leveling[resdistribution of wealth] and community of goods [central ownership of the means of production and distribution], are as visionary and impractical as those which vest all prosperity in the Crown. These ideas are arbitrary, despotic, and in our government, unconstitutional."
This flies in the face of what Obama has been trying to do since he took office.

My point is simply that most of the problems facing us and our country today stem from a central government that has overstepped and continues to overstep it's constituional authority. THis is not just with Obama, one party, nor one branch of government. The problem of this insane powergrab is everywhere! The only solution is to dismantle the federal leviathon and get back to our founding principles and actual application of the Constitution.

The whole video game case is just another example of the federal government abusing power that it doesn't even have through the Constitution. And in the process, the SCOTUS has opened the door for the federal government to continue to grow it's power while taking it away from the people. And it is with the people that all governing power is suppose be.

if we went back to the way we did stuff in 1789, we would still have state military where regiments were organized by town and not amount of men. the federal government would have no ability to tax outside of tariffs. any laws on the federal level would be considered "optional" and there would be slavery.

time evolves all things. thats why the elastic clause is in. the founding father knew shit they couldnt even think of would come up. with the improvement of technology, abolition of slavery, workers rights, civil rights.

you are entitled to your opinion but to revert back to certain things would be large steps back not only for the country as a whole but on a state level too, it would be complete chaos

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